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NO WORST Music List can be complete without Milli Vanilli! Who should we blame it on.the media? Well, with Milli Vanilli getting a Grammy and later having it taken away in 1990 because they didn't sing one note.this would tarnish music for the 90's until Nirvana.

There has been some good music...but then there has been some bad too!...

First off...I dedicate this to Linda Ronstadt....
  • Today no one’s quite so bold as to hire pretty frontmen for frumpy singers. But there’s Auto-Tune to tidy up messy singers. Or what about getting a great singer to record the demo, which the mediocre singer memorises, right down to the quirky phrasing. No, I do not like Milli Vanilli because I think that they are crap!!!! I mean, they.
  • Whether that assessment was fair or not, it was beyond easy to hold Milli Vanilli in contempt. Yet for all the scapegoating, they were far from the only dance-pop act to be fronted by lip-syncers in the late '80s (the Martha Wash -voiced Black Box and C+C Music Factory spring to mind).

Now...Ronstadt rocks, but what she's going through sucks! She now has Parkinson's Disease which means she'll NEVER sing again! Maybe Ronstadt and Michael J. Fox can make commercials for Parkinson's awareness.
I know I'm returning to the 'Worst' Trilogy, but this year has been unlucky for me. I write these articles because I do them for entertainment reasons, now I can post them on the forum, but...where's the fun in that?
Who can be bad in music? Well...this is the reason why I have this list, and here it is...The 16 WORST Bands, Musicians, or Music!
#16...The Cast From 'Glee'

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Wait...how can a TV Series be on this list? Well...First, the cast of 'Glee' are actors/actresses. Second, if you heard their songs by either watching this show or from their soundtrack...you'd rather hear a drunk man sing at a karaoke bar. Third, not all actors/actresses can sing! Listen to this....
This is like 'High School Musical' grown-up! Give me Nell Carter, Dan Aykroyd, or even Richard Harris, at least they can sing a tune without sounding like garbage....
#15...Britney Spears

No Chris Crocker...I CAN'T Leave Britney Alone! Sure, she went through a tough time by losing her aunt, getting a divorce, and having children...but many people have been there. But shaving your head, flashing your vajayjay, and NOT taking care of your kids is just making you a prone to the tabloids! Your music is sub-par and from the 'Mickey Mouse Club' Alumni...even Justin Timberlake and Christina Aguleria grew-up! Maybe one day, you'll be better...or not!
#14...Green Day

I can see why Johnny Rotten from The Sex Pistols called Green Day 'Sell-Outs'...with 'American Idiot', Green Day did that! Sure 'Anarchy in the U.K.' and 'God Save The Queen' were legend compared to Green Day's 'American Idiot', those songs were legend...'American Idiot' is just calling most of the United States Dumbasses! Look Green Day, you're just punk wannabees! And to think...after 'American Idiot'...where did Green Day go?
#13...Amy Grant

Amy Grant...she was the first to cross-over from Christian to Rock Music, though Cartman thought Creed was the first to do so. Amy Grant seems to have that way to talk about Jesus in a pop song, but she does have a few good songs in her library of songs...what the heck am I talking about and why did I put her on this list?!
NEW #13...Michael Bolton

Okay, soft-rock was popular in the 90's and though Amy Grant had good Christian songs, Michael Bolton is the real deal! His mullet, bad covers of classic 60's love songs, and 'Can I Touch You There'? He must be on my list of lousy bands, musicians, and that! Does Michael Bolton have a career now after the early 90's?
#12...Milli Vanilli

NO WORST Music List can be complete without Milli Vanilli! Who should we blame it on...the media? MTV? The Rain? George W. Bush? Well, with Milli Vanilli getting a Grammy and later having it taken away in 1990 because they didn't sing one note...this would tarnish music for the 90's until Nirvana. Milli Vanilli was planning to come back in 1998, but sadly Rob Pilatus died. Fab Morvan STILL makes music today, and uses his own voice!
#11...Kid Rock

Okay...what's wrong with 'All Summer Long'? The answer is...It's unoriginal! Kid Rock just put 'Werewolves of London' by Warren Zevon and 'Sweet Home Alabama' by Lynard Skynard and using his own lyrics? I call that lazy! And what the hell does 'Bawitdaba' mean? Sure, many classic rockers have covered 'All Summer Long' with 'Werewolves of London' and 'Sweet Home Alabama', but where's the heart Robert James Ritchie?
#10...Creed

Now Creed had a moment where they had songs with Christian meanings, but when the lead singer had a vid with Kid Rock (don't ask) I ask...does Creed have heart? No...it looks like they were in it for the money. If I want to hear some band who's in it for the money...I'll listen to Frank Zappa's 'We're only in it for the Money'! And if Zappa was around in 2001...he'd tell Creed the same thing!
#9...Marilyn Manson

DUE TO THE FACT THAT MARILYN MANSON VIDEOS ARE HIGHLY GRAPHIC AND CONTROVERSIAL...I CAN'T SHOW ANY, BUT I CAN SHOW YOU A SONG HE COVERED....

Yes...Marilyn Manson covered that song! All he wants to do is shock-rock! I'm sorry, but you're 20 years TOO late! Alice Cooper (Vincent Furnier) beat you to that and he's more talented than Brian Wagner (AKA-Marilyn Manson). Was Marilyn Manson the answer to Rock in the 90's? No wonder rock was sleeping in 1997! Marilyn Manson is more like Charlie Manson than Marilyn Monroe when it comes to music!
#8...Mitch Miller

Okay, Lawrence Welk squeaked-out of this list because of his bubble machine, his German accent, and his candy-ass monkey suits. But Mitch Miller...is the real deal!
I can forgive him for his sappy sing-along songs, I can forgive him for making the goatee square in the 50's, and I can even forgive him being the critic of Rock Music since then it was (in his opinion) baby food...but when The Beatles did this song...

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...you needed a fork and knife for rock and roll! I can surpass all that. But what I CAN'T forgive Mitch Miller is...what he did to Frank Sinatra when Miller was Columbia Records! Miller made Sinatra sing the crappiest songs of all time, but maybe the crappiest would be 'Mama Will Bark', just listen!...

Even Sinatra Fans called this the WORST Sinatra Song Ever! If you said the song to Sinatra, you'll need a new face. Even many Disc-jockeys flipped this single to the B-Side, which was more Sinatra at this time....
Like Britney Spears in his time...he was going through a bad relationship, having strains by his record company (Columbia), and almost died in 1951! After Sinatra left Columbia for Capitol he gave Mitch Miller something in 1957...'Fuck Off, Keep Moving!...' Now whose 100th Birthday will be celebrated? In 2011...no one gave a shit about Mitch Miller, but in 2015...The Chairman of the Board WILL be recognized! Mark...My...Words!...
#7...Kanye West

Kanye West Barges In...
Wait, I'm a gonna let you finish. I'm a gonna let you finish!
Thanks for NOT letting me be on the #1 Spot, but I shall inform you that 50 Cent should be #1!

Now THAT'S the problem with Kanye West! Sure, he has Gold-Digger...but he has to be getting attention from barging on the stage at the MTV Music Video Awards to blaming Bush after Hurricane Katrina.
Can't you keep your mouth shut? Your music sucks as well! You weren't raised in urbia, you were raised with a well-to-do family! Even Elvis knows about the harder times than you! No wonder he's forgotten, because he never encountered this....
Kanye...do yourself a favor and go to Detroit! It's the worst city in the nation and it's beyond your comfort zone...it IS a Ghetto! I, myself live below the poverty line though I'm NOT in the poorest big city in the nation, but it's hard out there!
#6...AC/DC

Yes...'Highway to Hell' made many Bible-Thumpers object and parents ask why. I ask...why does the guitarist Angus Young HAVE to wear that School Uniform? You're in your 50's, even Jaleel White (who played Steve Urkel) stopped being a nerd after 'Family Matters' ended! Their music is just the same and if AC/DC is on the Highway to Hell...they can have it! Their music is just Pop-Metal and almost the same song. Also Young...wear longer pants, otherwise people will think you have Jerry Sandusky Syndrome!
#5...Bon Jovi

If my brother made this list, he'd put Bon Jovi at #1. But I'm making this list and I feel that Bon Jovi deserves to be on here because they made hair-metal to just shave their hair! Now I can see why people in South Park would want to kick Jon Bon Jovi right square in the balls!
I, myself feel that they aren't true heavy-metal. But I do chuckle with the line in 'Livin' on a Prayer' because people think the line 'It doesn't a difference if we make it or not' sounds like 'It doesn't make if we're naked on not'!
#4...Nickelback

Yes...we ALL wanna be rock stars, but Nickelback made it that anyone can be a rock star. They either got their name after watching football or having someone say 'Here's your Nickel Back'. They just have no talent. I can take any bad band anyday, but Nickelback is in a league of their own. But then again...
#3...Anyone who was on 'American Idol'

Question:
How do you lower the bar?
Answer:
By having a show where anyone can sing!
And that's what 'American Idol' is! Let's have a contest on who can sing and if they suck...they go home and cry! Well...Simon Cowell is gone, but this show has tarnish music forever! When it came on 10 years ago...I couldn't watch this show having people be degraded since they have no talent.
Unfortunately...one made his untalent into a cult following, enter...
Yes...William Hung made his untalent into a cult following with 'She Bangs', a song done by Ricky Martin and if Martin redid the song it should be 'He Bangs'...if you know what I mean!
#2...Tween Music

Where to start? Miley Cyrus? Jonas Brothers? Justin Beiber? How about...Kidz Bop?...
That was the beginning of the end for music! In a decade where we had NO entertainment quality, we got Tween Music in 2001! When I was a child, there was no such thing as Tween Music...or Tweens in that regard! I was into The Beatles at that time, so if I want to hear bubblegum music (which it should be called) give me this....

So music like Justin Beiber ISN'T original...what is now tween music was once called bubblegum music!
#1...Auto-Tune Music!

In 1998, Cher brought us a new invention that would make her voice 100% in 'Believe'!
Even Disco is better than Auto-Tune Music! I wonder if her ex Sonny Bono heard it then died? I wonder if Sinatra heard this and died? I even wonder if Paul McCartney's 1st wife Linda heard this and died? Yes...this song came-out in 1998! This song basically gave us the auto-tune...or as I would like to call it, the Drum Machine for vocalists!
Look Cher...you did well without the auto-tune, this is a song!...

No auto-tune, it has natural vocals. I'd like to see The Black-Eyed Peas sing a song without auto-tune...that'll happen when Cleveland wins a Championship! Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles, nor Elton John depended on auto-tune...It's the work of the devil!
But to end Part 2 of 3 of this Trilogy, I feel that I should give you my feel about this year and that some actors/actresses CAN sing....
Now...do you agree with this list? It's okay that you don't, we live in free countries that can share opinions. If you think AC/DC Rocks but The Beatles should be on this list...okay. Feedback is good and so is opinions.
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Amy Grant is so hot I'd eat her shit.
Ok, ok, ok - I know this is written with tongue in...
My comments don't begin 'til I saw the Kanye West thing (I don't listen/never heard him - seriously) so, I don't care about that.
I'm perplexed about you saying (re: Elvis) ('no wonder'...he's forgotten ...'
I'm no Elvis/Graceland nut, I do like his voice, but, I can't believe he's even close to 'forgotten.'
Kanye - as most of these others will as well - will be forgotten.
The thing about 'tween music' (which I wholeheartedly agree) and 'bubblegum;'
The longest-lasting form of (pop) music is/has been bubblegum.
You even put up probably the best piece of bubblegum ever - The Archies'Sugar, Sugar.
Bubblegum, simply because it's written off as so innocuous - is the music with the most salacious lyrics imaginable (just really think about Sugar, Sugar, for example).
End of Part One
As for ‘tween,’ I never heard of it either.
It's just a marketing gimmick, but unfortunately, this one tries to take ‘rough’ music, & ‘smooth it out'by having little bobble-headed annoying prepubescent's ‘sing.’
The last thing I'm going to bemoan is AutoTune (is it one or two words?)
While I found the Cher song annoying, it actually wasn't bad.
But, like anything else that's a tool - which she overused for a point, is now being over (mis)used - not just for us singers of ‘modest’ talent, but to supplant ‘singers’ of no talent (no names mentioned, but there's many to pick from).
AC/DC? Really? That's insane you put them on this list.
The Sex Pistols were as manufactured as any other boy band of recent memory. Not that I'm an advocate for Green Day, but Johnny Rotten is probably one of the last people who should be calling other musicians sellouts.
Yes - and no (manufactured, that is).
Yes - Malcolm McClaren came in and did his...'stuff.'
But, no - the emotions of Johnny Lydon, et al, were (quite) real.
You can't (now or then) tell Mr. Rotten to 'become' anything.'
Sid.
Poor Sid.
He was just a little boy, who was horribly used.
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Only down side to an article like this is no two people can agree on the content. (AC/DC? Really? ) The only other thing I question is Milli Vanilli. Is your dislike for them based on their fraud or did you always hate them?
No Jonas Bros? No Miley Cyrus? No One Direction? No Taylor Swift? No Lil Wayne or TI or any other modern rapper? I can't agree on AC/DC and Bon Jovi being on the list.
Mentioning those that you listed might end up making the article more of a flop. A lot of people from the internet community are already aware of how much they suck so just talking about them again sounds pretty boring if you ask me. I find it odd how opinionated articles get bombarded with hate. I'm one of the few that hates Adventure Time because to me it's nothing but hipster crap and loose on originality and yet there's not a care in the world on how I think about it. That's how all opinions should be.
If you can't accept one's opinion, just ignore it and move on
coachbullington_c0LE3g86b Posted 6 years 6 months ago
Being a musician is just like any other job. I earn royalties, licensing agreements, I do session work and play live. And I get paid just like anyone else. I just happen to work from a home studio and play music live on stage, no different than you going to your job everyday. It's a job just like any other, based on a skill that I have, that others may not. Just like being a soldier, a doctor, a lawyer, a pro athlete...whatever, I do a job just like everyone else does, if you like it you buy it, if you don't, then you don't. It's like being a contractor. If you like my work, then you hire me to build your house, if you don't...then you hire someone else...This article would be like you saying 'I don't like Levi jeans, I prefer Wrangler'...so I'm going to write an article about how much Levi jeans suck..That's dumb, immature, and just a huge waste of time. Your not suppose to like everything, that's why there are 500 brands and 500 companies making the same product. It's called options
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You're welcome
You're absolutely right.
But, then most writers wouldn't have much to write about, and, besides - 'like/dislike' list are fun to read.
Mr. Blackwell used to do it about the 'best/worst' dressed.
It's just a way to let off some steam.
coachbullington_c0LE3g86b Posted 6 years 6 months ago
When you hear a Green Day song today, you know who it is immediately. That's all that any musician or artist could ever ask for in a career, to have your work be so heavily circulated and easily recognizable, on a world wide scale, that millions of people know your songs and your band just by listening to a few seconds of a song. That's Awesome!
It's like McDonald's. Don't you think the creator of McDonald's would be so proud that something as simple as a yellow 'M', all over the world, makes people immediately think of McDonald's? That's amazing marketing. Not necessarily super creative, but it worked at an amazing level. A yellow 'M', in just about any context, makes you think of one thing and one thing only. Green Day, The Beatles, Nickelback...these bands are the same thing. You may not like it (I don't care for it myself) but you cannot deny that if your a musician, and you want to play music for a living, these guys did it at the highest level and made a killing doing it!
coachbullington_c0LE3g86b Posted 6 years 6 months ago
How can anyone think this is a good article? Wow there must be a lot of uneducated morons on here if you think this is a good article. It's barely even readable! I can barely follow your train of thought and most of every word you wrote is just your hate ridden opinion. I actually do agree with most of what you were trying to say, but found the writing to be immature and poorly executed. I think some your a opinions are a little off, and I would be surprised if you yourself knew anything about writing or composing music. I am a musician, and take my word for it, composing is not easy. And though I DO agree with most of the bad music you mentioned, some of these artists are innovators and deserve respect for that. Green Day is an amazing band (and I don't personally care for them but...) they created a sound that is so amazingly simple. Yeah, they ripped from other punk acts from the 80's, who doesn't rip from their predecessors? But they now have a sound that is uniquely their own.
This article had a score of a 4 just a couple of days ago. What in the world happened?
Oh right, more people who can't take opinions seriously. I thought this was a pretty good article. Too bad the best I can do is boost it up once
Everyone has their own opinions about music. Ranting about yours doesn't do anyone any favors. You could have written something thought-provoking, but instead, it's just a highly opinionated piece of junk that leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth.
So, yes, my critique is on how crappy this article is rather than your musical opinions. That's how it should be anyway. Thumbs down.
AC/DC!!!! For Real! SMH. AC/DC on same list as Kanye, Milli Vanilli and Bolton is insane.
your list is fine but please do not shit on AC/DC, they are one of my favorite bands of all time.
You forgot RUSH, Elvis, Niki Minaj, Deadmaus, ICP, and Robin Thicke.
As much as I can't stand the tween bands I have to play the Devil's advocate and ask are they really that bad or is it just that I'm getting older and no longer understand the music that the kids of today are into? I certainly remember the older generations not understanding the music I was into when I was in middle school.
80'a Bon Jovi I like, same with Michael Jackson. Nice list!
Surprisingly I agree with all but one on this list. Though I completely understand why he's on the list, I have to admit that Michael Bolton is a guilty pleasure of mine.
I've always loathed Nickelback. Not just b/c of their songs, but b/c they seem to be frauds. One song they're talking about how much they miss some chick, then they're choking her (or another chick) in the next. Are you bad asses or softies?
I don't know if I'd add the Beatles to this list, but they're definitely overrated. I would, however, add Bruce Springsteen. He's a horrible singer and most of his songs are depressing. In fact, the only thing good about his music was Clarence Clemons. And any singer that talks about politics at his/her/their concert should be kicked off the stage.
Some parts of this list I agree some I don't agree with while others have gone to guilty pleasure/ 90's cheese for me. However good article though this could use more of something....... Oh yea It needs more Cowbell
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You forgot that no talent piece of crap known as Lil Wayne, also the disrespectful group of bastards called One Direction. AC/DC does have some good stuff, but I can see why you added them. I like some Bon Jovi and Green Day was great in the 90s, now they're just pure crap.
One Dimensional and Justine Beaver were on this list as they are Tween which counts for the entire wave of crap music.
In fact the Beaver is under both 2 & 1 as he does Tween with an auto tune flaver at the same time.
One Direction are nicknamed One Dimention because they are One Dimensional.

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Gotcha, I'm glad they're included in that whole crap genre. I also forgot to mention Pitbull who I hate with a passion. Drake and Jay-Z too.

Artist Biography by Steve Huey

Milli Vanilli. The mere mention of the name still calls up the same derision it did when the dance-pop duo's career came to a sudden and ignominious end: Fakers. Frauds. A blatant marketing scam. Their story has been retold countless times: after selling millions of records, Rob Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan were revealed to be models who publicly lip-synced to tracks recorded by anonymous studio vocalists. They became the first act ever stripped of a Grammy award and came to symbolize everything people disliked about dance-pop: it was so faceless that every musician involved could remain anonymous without anyone knowing the difference, so mechanical and artificial that the people who constructed it had to hire models to give it any human appeal, so pandering and superficial that people bought it just for its attachment to a pretty face. Whether that assessment was fair or not, it was beyond easy to hold Milli Vanilli in contempt. Yet for all the scapegoating, they were far from the only dance-pop act to be fronted by lip-syncers in the late '80s (the Martha Wash-voiced Black Box and C+C Music Factory spring to mind), nor were they the only Europop act to employ similar marketing tactics. (They were simply the most successful and visible, since their incorporation of rap made them more appealing to Americans.) What's more, pop music had a long tradition of hits recorded by anonymous studio musicians, dating back to '50s instrumental combos and '60s bubblegum. Milli Vanilli had the bad luck to get caught in a hoax during the extraordinarily image-conscious MTV era and a time when dance music of any stripe was accorded virtually no critical respect anyway, before its producers were perceived as the real creative points of focus. It's not as though Milli Vanilli were acclaimed for their honesty of expression before the scandal broke; it's more likely that what fueled the backlash was public resentment over Rob and Fab's celebrity (why should they be famous if they couldn't sing?) and embarrassment over the fact that Milli Vanilli's marketing had worked like a charm on everyone right up through the Grammy committee.

Milli Vanilli was the brainchild of German producer Frank Farian, who'd previously masterminded the European disco group Boney M. and the session-musician rock outfit Far Corporation. Seeking to fuse European dance-pop with elements of American rap, Farian assembled a number of session musicians and vocalists, including rapper Charles Shaw (an Army veteran) and two middle-aged American singers living in Germany, Johnny Davis and Brad Howell (some accounts give his name as Howe). Realizing that he had a marketable record but a distinctly unmarketable image, Farian hired two aspiring models and former breakdancers, Rob Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan, to pretend to be the group in videos, concerts, interviews, and the like. Pilatus had been born in New York in 1965, but grew up in Munich, spending some time in an orphanage after his parents (an American soldier and German stripper) gave him up for adoption. Morvan was born in 1966 on the island of Guadeloupe, lived in Miami for a time, and moved with his mother to Paris; he had been a skilled trampoline athlete until he suffered a neck injury in a fall. Both skilled dancers, the two had met sometime circa 1984 (differing accounts list their meeting place as Munich, Paris, or Los Angeles) and were attempting to make it as singers, dancers, models, or whatever they could. Their exotic look and long dreadlock extensions were just what Farian was looking for.

Milli Vanilli's first album, All or Nothing, was released in Europe in 1988 and was an instant success. Retitled Girl You Know It's True (after the lead single) and trimmed a bit, the record was issued in the U.S. in early 1989. Its catchy, lightweight pop-rap proved equally popular with American audiences; 'Girl You Know It's True' raced up the pop charts to number two, and the next three Milli Vanilli singles -- 'Baby Don't Forget My Number,' the ballad 'Girl I'm Gonna Miss You,' and the Diane Warren-penned 'Blame It on the Rain' -- all hit number one. Despite near-universal critical distaste (Farian's productions often recycled the same sounds and drum tracks), Girl You Know It's True sold an astounding seven million copies in the U.S. alone; internationally, Milli Vanilli sold approximately 30 million singles. In December 1989, as the fifth single 'All or Nothing' was climbing the charts on its way to the Top Five, rapper Charles Shaw revealed to a New York reporter that Pilatus and Morvan had not actually sung any vocals on the album. Shaw quickly retracted his statements (apparently paid off by Farian to keep quiet), claiming that they were merely a PR stunt for his own album. Milli Vanilli was soon nominated for a Grammy award for Best New Artist, even though the rumors continued to swirl. And in early 1990, they won it, for the record beating out the Indigo Girls, Neneh Cherry, Soul II Soul, and Tone-Loc.

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Success (or at least fame) was beginning to go to the duo's heads, particularly Pilatus, who was given to extreme mood swings and erratic behavior, and developed a cocaine problem. In an interview with Time magazine, Pilatus compared himself and Milli Vanilli favorably to Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, Paul McCartney, and Mick Jagger, and was roundly ridiculed for his statements. Additionally, Pilatus and Morvan had been pressuring Farian to let them sing all the vocals on the next Milli Vanilli album. Exasperated with them, Farian exposed the whole scheme in November 1990 and the public was furious. Pilatus and Morvan were stripped of their Grammy (ironically, the committee had justified its vote by citing the duo's 'visual impact'), and a class-action suit was filed against Arista Records, allowing anyone who believed they'd been defrauded into purchasing the group's records to apply for a rebate. Arista dropped the group and deleted Girl You Know It's True from their catalog, making it the biggest-selling album ever taken out of print.

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In 1991, Farian attempted to re-form Milli Vanilli with the original session vocalists (including female backup singer Gina Mohammed), this time crediting them and billing them as the Real Milli Vanilli, while also adding a Pilatus/Morvan look-alike named Ray Horton. However, the resulting Moment of Truth album flopped. Pilatus, meanwhile, was unable to deal with the sudden fall from grace; after mixing alcohol and prescription drugs, he slashed one of his wrists in a Los Angeles hotel, then called police and reporters to the scene, where he had to be removed from the balcony he was threatening to jump off of. Attempting to prove that they really could sing if given the chance, Pilatus and Morvan regrouped in 1993 as Rob & Fab; however, with their credibility damaged beyond repair, their self-titled debut reportedly sold only 2,000 copies total, despite an appearance on The Arsenio Hall Show. Farian had also attempted yet another album, this time renaming his group Try 'N' B and retooling the lineup again to enhance its visual appeal (which meant discarding the original singers); however, Sexy Eyes also stiffed. From there, Pilatus hit rock bottom. Beginning in 1995, he was arrested for several separate incidents in Los Angeles involving assaults (including one man he attacked with a metal lamp base), vandalism, and attempting to break into a car. Convicted of four different misdemeanors, he was sentenced to several months in jail in 1996, and did the first of numerous stints in drug rehab centers for his cocaine addiction. Pilatus eventually returned to Germany; in April 1998, his body was found in a Frankfurt hotel room after he mixed a fatal combination of pills and alcohol. Morvan continues to pursue a solo career.